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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Wed 27 Dec 2017 - 10:45

Saw Twice Upon A Time this morning.

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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Wed 27 Dec 2017 - 15:35

I don't know what to think of it really. It was a nice little old Doctor vs. new Doctor bit, but I'm unsold on the whole
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Anyway, nice to have a female Doctor at last!
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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Wed 27 Dec 2017 - 20:10

It was a little weird to have a Doctor Who story that ended up
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but it was a nice enough send off for Capaldi. A great Doctor saddled with a writer who should have moved on a few seasons ago. Here's to a new year!
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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Mon 8 Oct 2018 - 21:28

Now, the big question: can we keep a Doctor Who thread ticking over without ZeroJones? Sad But yes: new season, new Doctor, new discussion. What did people think?

I remain unconvinced by her mates. I feel like a new Doctor, especially a new Doctor who makes such an obvious drastic change, should be given some time to show off who she is. By bombarding us with so many new companions from the off, I don't know if I felt she got that. We were too busy following Mr. Can't-Ride-A-Bike.

Although - yay dyspraxic representation? (We do blame everything on the dyspraxia, that much is true.)
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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Wed 10 Oct 2018 - 13:26

Yeah, I wasn't sold on it based on the episode either. It was "alright", the problem is new Doctor debut episodes tend to need to be a fair bit stronger than that. And they usually are. In fact they're usually highlights of the current season and become classics, I'm sure I'm not alone in having all Doctor introduction episodes in my rewatch list whenever I do them.

Aside from the aforementioned fact that the new Doctor was heavily overshadowed (come on it's called Doctor Who, not Companion Who), I feel they tried to cram so many characters down our throats that none of them, so far, have stuck. To make matters worse none of them seemed to have vibrant personalities that might make them stick out, make them memorable, and ultimately make me care about them.

Sure, human stories can be great (in fact while most of the books I read may be fantasy the majority of them are highly character driven and often delve very deep into the human condition), but I feel they were handled so cringily that it just took me right out of the episode. I mean so far main-companion (or at least he came off as the "main" one) only really had one defining trait, and it wasn't his personality. In stark contrast I could have told you any number of aspects of the companions in past seasons based on the debut episode alone.

And I realise in hindsight this post looks like I'm saying companion-centric episodes can't work. They absolutely can, and arguably every new Companion kicked off with them. NuWho started off with just such an episode. Eleven's introduction spent as much time on Pond as it did Eleven. Same with Twelve and Clara. The problem is I feel less time was spent on the character's... Characteristics, and more on trying to establish them as super duper special snowflakes that were, to be blunt, fairly boring as people.

All this at a time when we've got our first ever female Doctor and, as Balla said, should have been the spotlight of the episode. Instead the episode focused on the normal human cast, which was a mistake both because new Doctor should always be the focus and also because this lot are so far incredibly dull.

The "coming soon" trailer didn't help matters either. No hints as to the monsters, plotlines, or any sort of general stinger to get the viewer hyped up. In contrast every other "coming soon" teaser I recall in the franchise has done all of the above.

Of course I'm Australian, so maybe all the actors shown are big names I've just never heard of because of how little UK television we get over here. But overall it just rubbed me the wrong way after what I felt was a lackluster (not bad, simply lacklustre) opening episode for the "new era" of Doctor Who. It was the perfect time to show off some tantalising hints to sell the rest of the season, and instead they just showed a bunch of actors without even alluding to the context they might be filling.

That isn't to say it was all bad though. Jodie Whittaker in the few scenes she was actually given the spotlight showed herself a great choice for the role, absolutely nailing the elements that we know and love about the Doctor while hinting at her own incarnations little foibles and quirks. The monster, like the Doctor, when given the spotlight was great and creepy as heck and felt very Torchwood-y (in the good way, not the bad way). And the production values were also top notch.

So I'll continue watching and hoping the series picks up as it goes forward. There's promising elements here, and Chibbnal has shown he's got the goods with what he did in Torchwood series 2.

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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Thu 11 Oct 2018 - 18:53

Yes. That is... yes. Pretty much that. Right down to liking the Doctor herself and the villain.

Yes.
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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Thu 11 Oct 2018 - 22:54

Would you say it's worth jumping back on board then, or more of a "wait and see" situation?

I dropped Capaldi's run pretty early on - around the episode where the moon was an egg or some nonsense - because the writing felt like it had nose-dived. It wasn't anything to do with his Doctor, but purely that I felt the quality of the show wasn't where it used to be. Is it worth me going back to rewatch Capaldi's run to pick up with this series or should I not bother?
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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Fri 12 Oct 2018 - 20:29

Much though I hate to say it, because I'd love to get your thoughts in this thread as much as anything else - wait and see so far. The first episode had good bits, and the Doctor is good, but it may well be the same thing all over again.

Jesus though that moon egg episode was terrible. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Fri 12 Oct 2018 - 22:53

That's fair! I shall commence with the waiting and seeing.

How about going back to watch Capaldi's run, at least? I did hear that the writing picked up as it progressed, which isn't saying much considering the depths that series seemed to have sunk too at one point...
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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Fri 12 Oct 2018 - 23:43

Oh yes, I definitely recommend looking up the rest of the last Capaldi series if you can. There were weak episodes, but overall I thought it was pretty good. Capaldi carries it, natch.
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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Sat 13 Oct 2018 - 18:41

I'm biased as Capaldi's Doctor is easily my favourite, but yeah, definitely give it another go. Series 8 had its ups and massive downs (I actually skipped the episode with the moon, the next two episodes after it weren't great either), but overall Capaldi carried the weaker parts of it and it had some god tier moments at the start and end (Missy. Just.... Everything involving Missy. The finale was a tad melodramatic at times, but damn if it also didn't have some god tier stuff in it too).

Series 9 lifted the game though. Series 8 may have been weak, but series nine was a whole nother deal. Moffat got his mojo back, and the result was a series opener that brought a classic Who monster and villain back at their terrifying best (especially appreciated for you-know-who after their previous horrible showing in the RTD era*), and really showed off Capaldi's talent as the Doctor, Clara also came into her own in these two episodes. The series had its ups and downs, mostly comprising of two-parters of varying quality. And near the end we had an episode I would simply sum up as one of the worst pieces of television I have ever watched. But then Moffat brought the season to a close with a one-two combo the likes of which need to be seen to be believed. A finale that I'll sum up as "could only have been pulled off by an established and versed actor."

Haven't seen Capaldi's final series yet so I can't comment. But I feel confident in saying that continuing won't let you down. Indeed I'd go so far as to say you're past the worst of it and just about to begin the upward track in quality.

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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Sat 13 Oct 2018 - 22:52

You've pretty much sold me there, Athers. It's been so long since I've watched any Who though that I'm tempted to go back and rewatch the whole series to catch up with present day, especially if it allows me to experience some of those amazing Tennant episodes too.
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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 9:57

Episode 2 has been more of the same, sadly.  Great Doctor, great setting, great villains (given that they're essentially animate scarves)... but has the Golden Sun: Dark Dawn problem, that you've got too large a party and most of them are bobbins and when they all have to say something it gets tedious and time-consuming quickly.
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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Mon 15 Oct 2018 - 23:28

Are they all on board the TARDIS? I'm all for a bigger supporting cast - see, the Tylers + Mickie - but any more than three on board the TARDIS and that's a bit much, I reckon.
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PostSubject: Re: Doctor Who Thread   Yesterday at 20:20

They are all on board the TARDIS. It's bigger on the inside, sure: it's not big enough.
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