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PostSubject: Re: Super Non-Stop Debate   Mon 31 Jul 2017 - 13:22

NO I THINK IT IS SHAMBOLIC AND MUST BE STOPPED, GAMES MAKERS ARE TRYING TO CUCKOLD US, THEIR PAYING CUSTOMERS, THE ONES WHO KEEP THEM EMPLOYED!!!!

Nah, it's fine as long as, like Balla said, it's clearly communicated and the game at launch is still worth having. I honestly can't think of a game that's been at fault in this issue, really.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Non-Stop Debate   Mon 31 Jul 2017 - 18:11

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My view is that as long as there's clear communication over what's being offered, the consumer can then choose happily enough and it is, indeed, win-win.  I'd say that the Splatoon games have communicated their 'games as service' aspect well, but Street Fighter V, for example, may not have.

There is, now I think about it, a caveat.  A game must release with its main one-player mode(s).  If it's a game that relies on multiplayer, it must also release with its main local and online multiplayer options.  Regardless of the best communication in the world, players will pick up the game expecting these features to be there.  If they're not, they may rightfully feel short-changed.

To pick an example: I would expect a Mario Kart game to release with Grand Prix, Time Trials, Local Multiplayer, and Online Multiplayer.  If however Nintendo wanted to add the Battle Mode, or Mission Mode (bring back Mission Mode!), at a later point, I wouldn't feel too short-changed because these are almost 'extra modes'.  Nobody buys a Mario Kart game for Battle Mode.  Nor would I mind retro tracks, say, being a later addition.  But they'd need to let me know about that well in advance, rather than in a size-five font 'Coming Soon!' on the box.


TL;DR: A game must release with the things people buy it for, and anything to be added later must be clearly communicated as such.

Somebody put this man in charge of one of them veedo gams marketing & communications roles. Thumbs Up!
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PostSubject: Re: Super Non-Stop Debate   Tue 1 Aug 2017 - 18:38

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NO I THINK IT IS SHAMBOLIC AND MUST BE STOPPED, GAMES MAKERS ARE TRYING TO CUCKOLD US, THEIR PAYING CUSTOMERS, THE ONES WHO KEEP THEM EMPLOYED!!!!

Nah, it's fine as long as, like Balla said, it's clearly communicated and the game at launch is still worth having. I honestly can't think of a game that's been at fault in this issue, really.

I think GT Sport is going to have a issue as I don't know if Joe Public will know it has basically no single player, which is even worse then SFV.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Non-Stop Debate   Tue 1 Aug 2017 - 22:07

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Somebody put this man in charge of one of them veedo gams marketing & communications roles. Thumbs Up!

I'd not last a day, my insistence on clarity and honesty would have me out on my ear quicker than you can say, 'Yes the whole Peach thing is quite sexist at this stage isn't it?'
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PostSubject: Re: Super Non-Stop Debate   Tue 15 Aug 2017 - 17:33

With apologies to Zero, I am inspired:

The Switch is already, at this moment in time, the best party console.

It's going to have a hard time against the Wii in particular, I reckon. But here's the thing: in a group of people who don't care for sports, the Wii Sports games are a bit of a dud. The Switch, meanwhile, has the best version of Mario Kart (ignores Mas), Overcooked, and Jackbox 3. The latter in particular appeals to basically everyone, and supports more than four players simultaneously (as does MK8D if you have 2+ Switches). Add in the Switch's portability, in the case of outdoor events (see the infamous Karen advert), and I do reckon the Switch is the best party console there is.

That's before any Mii games, and Smash, and Mario Party come along - but I say that, with those three games (and arguably Snipperclips) alone, and helped by the aura of 'the new', there's no machine I'd rather bring to a mate's party, or have at my own.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Non-Stop Debate   Tue 15 Aug 2017 - 18:00

Although I have to cede the point to m'learned friend, my Number One pre-Switch party console was the GameCube. Double Dash!! and Mario Party Whichever One It Was caused much amusement and merriment at the parties I was at in my early twenties. :old:
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PostSubject: Re: Super Non-Stop Debate   Tue 15 Aug 2017 - 19:33

The Wii will always be my definitive party console, but that is due to getting so much mileage out of Wii Sports and the like. I'd disagree about non-sporty folks being nonplussed about Wii Sports, most of the people I played with didn't follow any sports but that didn't stop us getting all aboard the hype train when an all-star assortment of Miis were assigned to a baseball team! - and being devastated about letting them down.
Another big factor is age, the Wii launching around during my teen years meant there was always a decent group of folks ready to turn literally anything into a party game - #Resi4Nurse

If I was that age today then the Switch would be the party platform. Doesn't stop me admitting it is off to a heck of a start and I've managed to get more out of 1-2 Switch than most reviews would have one think possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Non-Stop Debate   Yesterday at 9:36

Being able to take the Switch to a party easily, and having Jackbox on there, does make it a hell of a party console. That said, Wii Sports was something people came to me wanting to play, I didn't have to show up and convince them. Plus, as Muss said, the Wii came out when I was 16 and I spent some great years playing party games every damn day.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Non-Stop Debate   Yesterday at 11:28

I would possibly still say Wii due to what others have said about Wii Sports, I think their is a a difference between party console and multiplayer console. I think something like a Wii Sports appeals more to a casual audience, have some drinks and swing around a Wiimote.

Sure some of the Switch games you bring Balla do feel partyish but I think they take a bit more explaining to someone then a Wii Sports.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Non-Stop Debate   Yesterday at 17:29

A little too post-uni for my Wii to be a truly party console for me, though my best two university friends used to come over and play it occasionally. I remember one time where we had a round of Wii Sports bowling... and then went actual bowling. Grin We were much better with Wii Remotes, let me tell you! Anyway, I was going to say that I used to bring my Wii to my Mum and Dad's for Christmas, which resulted in lots of parties... for my brothers' mates! I found Miis on there of people I'd never met a couple of times.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Non-Stop Debate   Yesterday at 19:08

I can't argue with age and the mates we all had at the time! (Although mine still didn't seem that fussed by Wii Sports, they were more of a Mario Kart lot. Eh? ) That's why the words 'at this moment in time' are in the motion. Would you still bring Wii Sports to a party now? I think it's impressive that this early on, even with 'newness' impact, the Switch can rival/beat established machines at partyness with its current library. And I even forgot 12S! Duh!

Even more controversial claim: among the non-current machines, I'd say that the Wii U even beats the Wii. A version of Wii Sports of its own, a better Mario Kart and Smash, and Game & Wario. An art game is one party thing I really wish the Switch had (TKO doesn't count).

As for intuitiveness, everybody has smartphones. And Jackbox takes you through the instructions, and then everybody's cracking up. I'd say it's a slightly greater setup for a significantly greater payoff, now at least.
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PostSubject: Re: Super Non-Stop Debate   Yesterday at 20:54

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But here's the thing: in a group of people who don't care for sports, the Wii Sports games are a bit of a dud.

Nut. That wasn't a barrier to accessing Wii Sports' playability at all. How many folk enjoyed Wii Sports Baseball, Wii Sports Boxing or Wii Sports Golf that don't give a toss about real Baseball, real Boxing or real Golf? Tens of millions of folk, I'd confidently say.

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Switch is off to a good start, but it's not got the variety of choice to be thought of as the best party console. It's not in the same conversation as the N64, GameCube or Wii, or any of the PlayStations. Don't know about XBox, but they'd probably be all right too.


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