Counting Classics on Consoles

Balladeer wrote:

Jay, DS is a favourite console but you haven't played the PWs, PLs, or GT?

I just never got around to them! Still lots to love on the DS without those games though.

Going to have to abstain to a lot.

Yes to the following:

New Super Mario Bros
Brain Training
Ouendan
GTA

No to EBA

Abstain to the rest

JayMoyles wrote:

Balladeer wrote:

Jay, DS is a favourite console but you haven't played the PWs, PLs, or GT?

I just never got around to them! Still lots to love on the DS without those games though.

No doubt: nonetheless, if you have to play one game on the DS, pick Ghost Trick.  This applies to all of you, and Jas will back me up!  (Also obligatory Meteos plug, even though there's no way in hell it's a classic. )

While I'm here, I'll put Kirby's Power Paintbrush on the list. One of the best uses of the stylus on the console.

Argh! My head! Seriously, this is a mammoth task each week. BUT IT MUST BE DONE

Right:

Spoiler:

The only (very hopeful) thing I can nominate is
Art Style: Intersect - Brilliant original puzzle game. Apart from when it was called Digidrive on the GBA. Oh.

Question: are we allowed to nominate DSiWare games in this week's vote?

I don't see why not! WiiWare games will be up for the vote next week too.

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney GOD YES
Phoenix Wright: Trials and Tribulations YASSSSSSSSSSSS
Ghost Trick YEAH BABY YEAH
Star Fox Command YES, I actually quite like this.
Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney YES
Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story YES
WarioWare Touched YES
Pokemon HG/SS YES
Mario Kart DS YES one of my favourite mario karts, really lovely to control
Castlevania Dawn of Sorrow YES
Animal Crossing Wild World YES much as I loved the cube one, this is when AC made sense
New Super Mario Bros. YES
Nintendogs YES
Sonic Rush YES
Dr Kawashima's Brain Training YES
Phantom Hourglass HELL FUCKING YES WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
Advance Wars: Dark Conflict YES
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin YES
Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time YES
Hotel Dusk: Room 215 YES
AWDS YES
EBA YES
Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan YES

Leaving my abstains out, and no nos. . .

I'd add:

Pokémon Diamond and Pearl
Pokémon Black and White

They might not be the best but all the pokemons are quality.

I'll give a NO to Diamond and Pearl (really didn't get on with them, and I've heard Platinum fixed a lot of issues with the game) and a YES to Black and White.

Yes to Pokes P and D.

I'm on the Jay side of things. Few series entries have disappointed me as much as DP, apart from Sticker Star, Dream Team, Mario Tennis Open, Star Fox Command... Okay so there have been a couple.

BW were a return to form, though; and what I played of Platinum was a tremendous improvement.

For me, Ruby and Sapphire were the slightly disappointing ones then diamond and pearl were a bit of fun.

Black and White were the really solid ones though.

Drunkalilly wrote:

For me, Ruby and Sapphire were the slightly disappointing ones then diamond and pearl were a bit of fun.

I think it was during the GBA vote that myself and DL were chatting about this - I think Pokéfatigue is a real thing, and it can ruin a generation of Pokémon for you. My Pokémon fatigue set in with D/P, which ended up with me having to struggle my way through.

For me, a massive part of DP being weak was because they chopped the number of monsters in the main game down to 150, and only added 70 (I think?) new Pokémon, so the range of newbies to use felt very limited (compared to 200 and 130-odd respectively in RSE).  This is backed up by Platinum having fifty or so other 'mons, including several of the new evolutions, and feeling infinitely superior. I also felt that the music was not good in DP.  

Don't get me wrong, I believe that Pokéfatigue probably is a thing - I just feel that there were other reasons why DP weren't as good as RSE.  (They did at least get rid of the interminable surfing.)

Balladeer wrote:

JayMoyles wrote:

Balladeer wrote:

Jay, DS is a favourite console but you haven't played the PWs, PLs, or GT?

I just never got around to them! Still lots to love on the DS without those games though.

No doubt: nonetheless, if you have to play one game on the DS, pick Ghost Trick.  This applies to all of you, and Jas will back me up!  (Also obligatory Meteos plug, even though there's no way in hell it's a classic. )

Indeed I will, so Jay, stop with the metal gear for a bit and get Ghost Trick played.

Advance Wars: Dual Strike ABSTAIN
Jam With The Band ABSTAIN
EBA/Ouendan! ABSTAIN
GTA YES (reluctantly; I hated it but know I'm in the minority)
DP NO (as much as I love them it's because I completed the Pokedex rather than them being truly great games - Defog, anyone? Urgh)
BW YES (another reluctant one, to be honest - how many Pokemon games bar you from catching Pikachu for ages?)

WarioWare Touched - Yes
Mario Kart DS - Yes
New Super Mario Bros. - Yes
Phantom Hourglass - Yes
Dragon Quest IX - Yes
Final Fantasy Tactics A2 - Yes
Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - Yes
GTACW - Yes
D&P - No, they're just weaker in general, most of the new 'mon weren't very good either.

Gotta add Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors. Surely nobody can turn that down?

Also sad to see all the negativity around SF Command, it's the only good one...

Didn't you YES Adventures Andy that Command can't be the only good one in your own eyes also looking at whats in only Star Fox 64 is in.

I don't think of Adventures as SF so I forgot about it

Looks like the gneneral public disagrees with you, Mas: they think that there are 25 classics on the Nintendo DS.  (FFIII a classic when FFIV isn't, though?  Some of you lot are mad.)  With that, it's time for the last Nintendo wiik (ha), as we vote on classic Wii games!  For the last time, I'll start you off:

Wii Sports Y 11-0
LoZTP Y 10-2
SMG1 Y 12-0
SMG2 Y 11-1
Xenoblade Chronicles Y 7-0
Okami Y 8-0
The Last Story N 2-4
LoZSS N 7-3
No More Heroes Y 8-1
Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition N 9-2
Kirby Epic Yarn Y 7-2
LKS A 7-1
Donkey Kong Country Returns N 7-3
Rayman Origins N 4-6
Sonic Colours A 3-3
MKWii A 6-6
SSBB Y 11-2
Strikers Charged A 6-2
Super Paper Mario N 5-4
Wii Fit Y 5-1
WWSM N 4-6
Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn A 3-1
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption N 4-3
Red Steel N 1-7
Red Steel 2 A 2-0
MHTri A 4-1
Mario & Sonic at the Olympics N 2-5
Ghost Squad N 1-3
Excite Truck A 2-3
Wii Sports Resort N 5-2
New Play Control Pikmin N 4-2
NPC Pikmin 2 N 3-2
Beat the Beat: Rhythm Paradise Y 3-2
Trauma Centre: Second Opinion N 2-2
NBA Jam N 2-2
Punch Out!! A 3-0
DJ Hero A 1-2
House of the Dead: Overkill A 3-0
Zack & Wiki N 4-3
Madworld N 3-3
Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga A 5-2
Tomb Raider Anniversary A 2-1
Art Style: Light Trax N 1-2
World of Goo Y 4-0
Rabbids Go Home N 1-3
Hydroventure A 1-0
Cave Story FN 4-1
And Yet It Moves A 2-0
NSMBWii N 3-3
Boom Blox Bash Party A 1-0
Disaster DoC N 1-3
Kororinpa Y 2-0
De Blob N 1-3
Endless Ocean 3-1
S&P2 A 3-0

And a question to consider alongside.  The Wii U is prematurely drawing to its end, but how many of its games do we think will be looked on as classics in the future?  SSBU and MK8, surely, perhaps Splatoon - any others?

I think it's because the DS never appealed to me Balla after sort of launch peroid bar a few games like Pokemon HS/SS, looking at the 25 gmaes in there are some good games but compared to the others I wouldn't be rushing to get a DS over a Cube, N64 or SNES.

The Wii I do know more about and can

Wii Sports, Yes
LoZTP, Yes even though it's a GameCube game
SMG1, Yes as I know it is even with those controls
SMG2, Same as above
Xenoblade Chronicles, I'm going to abstain (really it's a No but I don't want boo this man gif from like everyone)
Okami, I've only played the PS2 version which is a Yes and I guess the Wiimote is useful due to the brush that it's a Yes

I'll put forward...
The Last Story
Skyward Sword
No More Heroes
Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition
Kirby Epic Yarn

We have been talking about the Wii U in the yesterday I bought thread and to me it might end up with about 5 classics Bayo 2 (the best game on the system), Splat, Pikmin 3, Hyrule Warriors, Rayman Legends maybe things like SF:0, SMTxFE, XCX etc will be as well but it's no many at all.

Wii Sports YES
Legend Of Zeldas YES
Super Mario Galaxies YES YES YES
Xenoblade Chronicles ABSTAIN (I haven't played it long enough to do it justice)
Okami YES YES YES
The Last Story YES
No More Heroes YES
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition YES
Kirby's Epic Yarn NO (it was all going swimmingly until the last few levels, which I hated)

Putting forward:

Little King's Story
Donkey Kong Country Returns
Rayman Origins
Sonic Colours

Wii Sports YES
Legend Of Zeldas YES
Super Mario Galaxies YES
Xenoblade Chronicles YES (I've not played it yet but I've seen enough to know its a cracker)
Okami YES
The Last Story NO
No More Heroes NO (it has aged horribly)
Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition YES
Kirby's Epic Yarn YES
Little King's Story YES
Donkey Kong Country Returns YES
Rayman Origins NO
Sonic Colours ABSTAIN

Putting forward:
Mario Kart Wii
Super Smash Bros Brawl
Mario Strikers Charged
Super Paper Mario

Ah, I was waiting for SPM to rear its ugly, tedious head. An alright game that didn't deserve to win the Wii RPGs vote, and definitely isn't a classic! Sorry Smurf.

By the way, LoZSS is on the list, before everyone forgets about it! (Two people have passed it by already...)

If it was unclear it was a yes from me. It's certainly not an RPG but I really enjoyed it, it was a novel idea that I feel worked well but hey ho, everyone has a choice.

Wii Sports: YES YES YES
Resident Evil 4: Yes
Sonic Colours: No

Abstain the rest except for...

Mario Kart Wii & SSBB: These are tough because I think they're weaker than past iterations in each franchise. However, I think anyone with a Wii should own these games, so they get a somewhat begrudging Yes

I will contribute: Wii Fit, and WarioWare: Smooth Moves