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PostSubject: Re: General Cricket Thread - Ashes in Contention   Sat 2 Dec 2017 - 9:54

It's the whole 'punching Nazis' dilemma all over again, isn't it?  


Win the toss and... bowl?



Word of warning: if England lose this one, I don't know whether I'll be posting much more in this thread until the series is over.  I can't do the 'cynicism to compensate for partisan considerations' thing like you can, Athers.  Two whitewashes in a row, while not entirely unexpected, would be a bit much.
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PostSubject: Re: General Cricket Thread - Ashes in Contention   Sun 3 Dec 2017 - 8:43

It's probably a bit too early to say whitewash, but England's chances of winning do seem to be going down the toilet right now. I was chatting with someone irl today and we both agreed that Gabba and Waca matches are basically auto-wins for Australia, and England are pissing this specific match, the one touted as their best chance of a win, down the gurgler right now.

I know Root's going to get a lot of flack for his decision to send his bowlers in, but I actually think it's unfair. Australia is in a dominant position partly because, at long last, they've started to bring back slow disciplined batting, but also because the English bowlers have utterly failed the team and Root. He should by all rights have been able to expect to go out there yesterday and have his strike bowlers dismantle Australia's top order, especially once the night session began. Instead they've been lacklustre and lacking any real fire. I missed the first half of the first session but apparently Anderson and Broad weren't looking happy to be bowling from the very first over.

On this wicket England's current predicament is less Root's call and more due to his bowlers utterly failing to perform in a arena they by all rights should have been extremely potent in. And now because of it the entire team is demoralised and facing a near-impossible target going into the night session against a bowling attack that will cause severe damage to the top order.


On a more positive note, one I rarely tend to sing, the selectors have been proven right this match. Marsh and Paine have both performed extremely well, Paine getting a hand injury early on and still gutting out a solid half-century, and Marsh has finally come good scoring a more-than-quality century after overturning a couple of dud LBW calls.


Looks like the end of the innings is nigh, but facing over 410 runs on this wicket I doubt in England's chances to recover. Can't say I'd blame ya for not following the series, England has a way of losing series in a deeply unappealing way when they lose them.
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PostSubject: Re: General Cricket Thread - Ashes in Contention   Sun 3 Dec 2017 - 16:33

Let's be honest: if you're letting Shaun Marsh score consistent runs, you probably deserve a whitewash. I fully expect England to lose the last two Tests by an innings. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: General Cricket Thread - Ashes in Contention   Mon 4 Dec 2017 - 9:15

Honestly it's less "letting" and more complete incompetency of the bowlers attack.  I feel the first over Lyon came to the crease yesterday summed up the English bowling effort perfectly.  Here was a spin bowler with orders to hit out, and he does so executing the exact same huge shot every ball leaving his stumps wide open.  He does this every ball of the over and even does it on his first ball of the next one after Marsh switches the strike over with a single.


And how does Broad, a quickie, respond to this display of reckless incompetency with the bat?  By continuing to aim the ball at Lyon when the stumps are completely and utterly undefended in any way shape or form.  The entire over I was practically screaming internally to just send one or two at the stumps, but no, he just kept sending completely ineffectual bouncers at a man clearly trying to sky a ball.  


And so instead of getting Lyon out for a duck he instead added a dozen or so runs to the tally and allowed Australia to instead declare.  Don't get me wrong I get the idea, hoping that he'd nick it or so forth, but if a batsman is leaving their stumps unprotected constantly you send the bloody ball at them.  


Now they've all rolled over for barely half of Australia's total, proving that the pitch is perfect for bowlers.  Those who put the effort in on this wicket are rewarded.  And therein lies the reality, outside of Overton and some spirited but ultimately impotent bowling from Ali Englands bowlers aren't trying.  


Of course Lyon's antics with the ball cannot be understated, he's on absolute fire today.  That caught and bowled was absolutely fantastic stuff.  Every australian bowler has pulled their weight today, and the result is nothing short of the absolute obliteration of the English batting order.  I can see why you were saying the team is largely past their use-by date a while back, there's a distinct lack of passion on display that I suspect some newer blood with something to prove would be showing.  After the last two days you might just be right about a whitewash being on the cards.  Can't say I'm particularly happy, I was looking forward to more tight matches like the first one.
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PostSubject: Re: General Cricket Thread - Ashes in Contention   Mon 4 Dec 2017 - 20:57

Broad and Anderson have given Englanders a headache for ages over their inability to (a) pitch it up and (b) aim at the stumps, especially with the new cherry in the first innings.  Oh well, at least Anderson and Woakes have rescued some pride, although I heartily doubt Vince et al.'s ability to chase down whatever Australia set.

As for 'past their use-by date', did I say that?  I've got many criticisms, but that ain't one of them.  Not regarding the batsmen anyway: if anything, they're too green.  Stoneman, Vince, Malan.  All relative newbies, all unproven, all doing not an awful lot to prove at the moment.  Re. the bowlers, then yes, maybe Jimmy's reaching his sell-by date, but I don't think he's the main problem (short of wasting the new ball as mentioned above).  That would be picking a bowling attack that is entirely RMF to RFM, plus Ali.
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PostSubject: Re: General Cricket Thread - Ashes in Contention   Wed 6 Dec 2017 - 21:39

And that's that. Cruel behaviour, though, from Australia. To just for a day be rubbish enough to give England hope... and then to destroy them soundly the following morning. That's mean, that is. That's toying with emotions. Mental disintegration at its finest.

Anyway, might see you at the end of the series. I've got a feeling that's the closest we'll see to an England victory, and they'll just go to pieces now.
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PostSubject: Re: General Cricket Thread - Ashes in Contention   Wed 13 Dec 2017 - 8:21

Guess who's looking likely for selection in the Perth test?


Can we PLEASE MOVE ON from the bloody Marsh Brothers already? For faffs sake. Rolling Eyes

On the bright side (as an aussie supporter anyway) it looks like Englands just going to continue infighting and making excuses, so I doubt there'll be much resistance from them. Not great for the sport though, when the ultimate series is essentially decided because of one teams own ineptitude and disunity.
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PostSubject: Re: General Cricket Thread - Ashes in Contention   Today at 16:56

Well this match's certainly going to have a conclusion!  


Either Australia's learned how to bat or the wickets a massive batsmans wicket (and those are super fun to watch too!) and this match's going to be a not-thrilling draw.  

Also Mitchel Marsh dropped a catch day 1, Handscomb on the field as a temp takes a blinder.  

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