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| Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game  Sat 25 Jul 2015 - 10:20 | |
| Melee's just a faster game in general, even without the advanced techniques. I enjoy Smash 4, don't get me wrong, but zipping around Fountain of Dreams as Sheik in Melee is still great fun even today.
I wonder if we're going to see both Super Mario Galaxies in this countdown... my money is on yes. |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sat 25 Jul 2015 - 10:25 | |
| I find the difference in pace so unimportant between those two (Brawl's is much more noticeable) that it does indeed come down to which has more stuff. And more variety is always better than less. Believe me, I was a semi-religious Mêlée player back in the day, but it just doesn't measure up now.
But that's just me. I reckon Mêlée probably will rank higher regardless, because of its greater Sakurai involvement.
I reckon SMG1 will win. Just like the Wii vote, the Mario vote... I reckon that, on here, it'd win a best game ever vote. |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sat 25 Jul 2015 - 10:31 | |
| I agree that Brawl's drop in pace is more noticeable, but I still think there's a notable difference in pace between Melee and Smash 4. This isn't even a case of rose-tinted glasses as I still play Melee with my brother whenever I'm back at my parents. Ah well, to each their own though, eh?  I'd wager money on SMG coming out top too. I'm chuffed to hear that we've got a solid mix of "Iwata the executive" and "Iwata the programmer" in our list - glad that our list is representative of both major parts of Iwata's career. |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sat 25 Jul 2015 - 10:32 | |
| I don't know if SMG would win a best game ever vote, you just have to look at the actual top whatever thread to see it would have some competition.
But could see it winning here though. |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sat 25 Jul 2015 - 10:38 | |
| Honestly, I feel a little sad about SMG's continued stranglehold over every voting thread it's in (surprised it didn't win the DS and console voting threads too). I'm not sure why. Maybe it's the feeling of "not getting" something that everyone else seems to love so much. I do "get it", I would give it a 9/10 - but everyone else seems to think it's gaming's sliced bread, 118/10 minimum.
Presumably it's because I really wanted Super Mario 128, a game in the SM64 vein with similar free-roaming levels, and when SMG gave me pretty much the opposite I turned sour. I wish I could love it as much as many of the rest of you (Mas obviously excluded). |
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masofdas
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sat 25 Jul 2015 - 10:53 | |
| I also want the same as you Balla, Mario 128 or whatever but I do understand how & why SMG wins stuff even though I don't like due to the controls.
Also I thought The Last of Us gaming's sliced bread now. |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sat 25 Jul 2015 - 22:42 | |
| The Last of Us doesn't have the crowd on the this forum, also it's become pretty cool not to like it so...
Anyway I think the reason Galaxy has and likely always will come out so highly is because everyone agrees that it's that good (minus Mas). It's a game that is simply a joy to play and absolutely blew our minds. I don't think there is such a consistent love for any other series/entry to a series around.
With the Karts, Smashes Mario RPGs we all have different favourites and the others aren't so likely to make the list. With games like Fire Emblem or Pikmin there are large chunks who aren't fans of the genre. Galaxy is just ace. |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sat 25 Jul 2015 - 22:48 | |
| If Mas doesn't like it, then I definitely don't love it. It's a game I begrudgingly admit is good. |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sat 25 Jul 2015 - 23:56 | |
| I meant the general gaming community on The Last of Us, Andy
What Balla said I also begrudgingly agree SMG is good, I just can't play it. I really want a HD version with proper controls, kinda like Andy can't get on with early MGS's due to the controls. |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sun 26 Jul 2015 - 7:32 | |
| Even then the general public seem to have turned on TLoU  I really don't get the hatred for SMG's controls, I hate pointer controls and motion controls but they just work, not to mention the main controls are just move, jump and run. Madness! |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sun 26 Jul 2015 - 8:59 | |
| In my ZeroJonesian avatar, it falls to me (read: Zero's away this weekend) to present you with rankings eight and seven! Please, take a look: - Eighth Place:
Pokémon Gold & Silver(32 points, 5 voters, 1 first place) (Pokémon Gold & Silver also nab the Pichu Award For Cuteness)  Satoru Iwata's Involvement: Special Thanks Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upDjb-WsBvo (oh boy) Gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyGpgRGVZBc Weird Video: 50 Things WRONG With Pokemon Gold Silver & Crystal Metacritic: (not applicable!) GameRankings instead Someone Said: Of all the games in my list this is the one Iwata had the most impact on. Thanks to Iwata making possible the presence of Kanto in the games he made the games into true classics. On a more personal note this happened to be my first Pokémon game so I wasn't playing through Kanto again; it was my first time there and it was just spectacular. I have an awful lot of love for this game and think it thoroughly deserves my top vote. Someone Else Said: Pokemon Red was the first game I ever beat by myself. Before Red, I'd have my dad come in and help me past a difficult boss or area, but Red as all me. The sense of pride I felt beating that game was overwhelming at the time, and my 7/8 year old self was unbelievably hyped for Pokemon Gold and Silver's release in 2001. The game blew my pre-teen mind. New Pokemon! Day/Night cycles! A whole new world to explore! It was everything I wanted in a Pokemon sequel. Imagine my face when I discovered that not only was Johto there for me to explore, but I could return to Kanto and revisit my favourite locations from Red and Blue. I've got Iwata to thank for that - his compression techniques allowed Game Freak to include Kanto in Gold and Silver. Top work from a top man. I (by which I mean Zero) say: The changes Gen 2 brought to the Pokémon table are nothing short of spectacular: breeding, day/night cycles, genders, shinies... and then being able to go back and revisit (or visit!) prettty much the whole of the first game was just mind-blowing. A thing of beauty.
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Wii Sports(33 points, 4 voters, 2 first places) (Wii Sports also grabs the Most Likely To Make People Understand The Rules Of Baseball Award)  Satoru Iwata's Involvement: Executive Producer Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqaPFAZS1K8 Gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzrE9_Wi_o0 Weird Video: Wii Sports 5-7 Split Conversion in an Odd Way Metacritic: http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/wii-sports Someone Said: Was there ever a more revolutionary moment in gaming than playing Wii Sports for the first time? Gone was the controller with so many buttons it would make people cry, and here was this thing that you just... swing. Brilliant, and Wii Sports was the best showcase for it! Someone Else Said: Between myself and my family, we must have put thousands of hours into this. Really brought my family together. Zero says: The perfect game to celebrate 'Iwata The President'. An incredible risk to take, the Wii went on to became the huge seller we all know and love, almost certainly off the back of how easy its core principles were to demonstrate on Wii Sports. A Nintendo classic, still full of the company's touches. Who needs EA? 
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sun 26 Jul 2015 - 9:08 | |
| And back to being me... GSC was brilliant at the time. It's now dated as hell, as are most Gameboy games. I voted for HGSS, on the grounds that it has Iwata's gameplay touches while still standing up in this day and age - presumably it won't rank, because "Iwata didn't make it". Even though he had just as much influence on the gameplay as he did on the original. Got nothing to say on Wii Sports. The HD version's still in its packaging, which shows how much it means to me now. Moving on. - More SMG talk:
- andyman949 wrote:
- I really don't get the hatred for SMG's controls, I hate pointer controls and motion controls but they just work, not to mention the main controls are just move, jump and run. Madness!
It's funny: I have a completely different control problem to Mas. I found nothing wrong with the pointer or the shaking, even in the three super-hard minigame galaxies. What I did have a problem with was losing control and direction when Mario runs upside-down. Push the analogue stick to run underneath; let go, push it the same way, and watch Mario do an about-turn.  No problem on the earlier levels, but when you're doing precision 360º platforming in (say) Battlerock's purple coins, it's a bloody nightmare.
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sun 26 Jul 2015 - 10:02 | |
| That Gold and Silver trailer was excellent.  I included Gold and Silver over the superior HG&SS because of the nostalgia factor more than anything else, as well as Iwata's direct involvement. I'd have been happy with either HG&SS or the originals making an appearance. Wii Sports is probably the best representation of a Wii game, so all for its inclusion here.  |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sun 26 Jul 2015 - 10:46 | |
| 2 results that would never have been in my list but 2 I can't argue with all the same, especially for those who voted on Iwataryness grounds.
As for the SMG cam I've never suffered for it and I'm generally pretty picky in that regard. |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sun 26 Jul 2015 - 17:19 | |
| @Andy what Balla said on SMG and my issues with the controls is correct, like I said you might not have a issue with them but I do and like I said I've had no issue with MGS for instance with it's controls & neither did Drunka playing it years later after it came out but you do.
What your saying about TLoU, does that mean the rest of internet now agrees with me on it.
On the results, I did go for Gold & Silver and the first of mine to show up.
Ohh and SONM don't like words it seems. |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Sun 26 Jul 2015 - 17:47 | |
| This is turning out really nice, and I'm enjoying reading the picks. Feel like an idiot for not voting now... |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Mon 27 Jul 2015 - 9:00 | |
| - Drunkalilly wrote:
- This is turning out really nice, and I'm enjoying reading the picks.
It's been a fine vote and I'm enjoying turning out the results!  Thanks to Balla for stepping in for me yesterday as I recovered from being drunk in Lancashire.  Now, to sixth and fifth! - Sixth Place:
Super Smash Bros. Melee(35 points, 4 voters, 0 first places) (Super Smash Bros. Melee also earns the Best Use Of A French Word Award)  Satoru Iwata's Involvement: Special Thanks Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0O173xIuO0 Gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX-3eloHgTA Weird Video: Super Smash Bros. (Melee) - Glitchfest Metacritic: http://www.metacritic.com/game/gamecube/super-smash-bros-melee Someone Said: Despite not getting to play this a whole lot in multiplayer I still spent an obscene amount of time playing it. Someone Else Said: Iwata did a lot for the Super Smash Bros. series: this video sums his involvement up better than I could. I think my favourite Smash Bros. game is Melee. I spent hours upon hours trying to grab every trophy in the game, or schooling my friends with Sheik, Marth and Ganondorf, or laughing as we'd spend an eternity trying to beat each other on Hyrule Temple. In many ways, Melee was my gateway into Nintendo. I knew who Mario was, and I knew about Pokemon, and I was even pretty aware of Metroid and Zelda. But many of Nintendo's smaller franchises were unknown to me. Melee opened my eyes up to Nintendo, as I'd soak in all the information from each new trophy I unlocked. I've probably got Melee to thank for making me into a huge Nintendo fan, and as a consequence, I've got Iwata to thank too. I say: Here we go again - or, here we go before! Melee beats its grandchild to land sixth place in the vote. A true fighting game enthusiast's fighting game, as it's still played competitively (just ten days ago, in fact, at EVO 2015), as one voter mentioned. A brighter, brasher, bolder celebration of Nintendo's culture and history than the original, Melee remains an absolute classic.
Breaking into the top five, we have... - Fifth Place:
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door(36 points, 6 voters, 0 first places) (Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door also scoops the Game With The Largest Number In Its Title Award)  Satoru Iwata's Involvement: Executive Producer Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRu7uFkYdeM Gameplay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n1JffUdMUc Weird Video: Paper Mario Thousand Year Door: Cheat Again Theory Metacritic: http://www.metacritic.com/game/gamecube/paper-mario-the-thousand-year-door Someone Said: A once great series, reduced to ashes. But enough about English cricket: this is what future Paper Marios should strive towards. Forget SPM, burn PMSS in a fire, and reawaken the greatness that was the Thousand-Year Door! Someone Else Said: Such a great game. It's a shame that the series has moved away from this template... I say: Truth be told, I was never that interested in Paper Mario. Then one day I saw a cheap copy of this in CEX in Manchester... and it blew me away. So many brilliant set-pieces and story beats, so charming and fun. An awesome game that I really hope is brought out again in some way, soon, so I can relive its excellence.
Tomorrow will see fourth place revealed!  |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Mon 27 Jul 2015 - 9:12 | |
| Hmm, I wonder who wrote that first Paper Mario comment...  |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Mon 27 Jul 2015 - 9:22 | |
| Wahey, glad to see Melee making it in to our top ten! |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Mon 27 Jul 2015 - 9:27 | |
| Now its official Mêlée is the better SMASH.
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Mon 27 Jul 2015 - 9:57 | |
| - masofdas wrote:
- Now its official Mêlée is the better SMASH.
 Chuffed to see TTYD making it into the top five! I always feel that it's somewhat neglected, despite being my second favourite 'Cube game, until one of these awards comes up and it always places highly. Make another such please Nintendo! (And no idea what you're talking about, Drunka...) Earthbound surely has to place soon. In fact, - Balladeer guesses the remaining places:
I'll go out on a limb and say that I expect EB, my top two votes, and SMG to fill the top 4. In that order.
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Mon 27 Jul 2015 - 12:00 | |
| - masofdas wrote:
- Now its official Mêlée is the better SMASH4.
 what? I honestly don't get the love for melee |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Mon 27 Jul 2015 - 12:32 | |
| - Balladeer wrote:
- masofdas wrote:
- Now its official Mêlée is the better SMASH.
Earthbound surely has to place soon. In fact,
- Balladeer guesses the remaining places:
I'll go out on a limb and say that I expect EB, my top two votes, and SMG to fill the top 4. In that order.
I dislike that .gif, always found it a little condescending.  I reckon Earthbound will be third. SMG in first... not sure about the rest. Maybe Metroid Prime and a Zelda. |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Mon 27 Jul 2015 - 12:36 | |
| For what it's worth, the original is my favourite Smash. I loved racking up the silly bonuses in a fight - Pacifist, Smashless, and all the rest, and Break The Targets was my jam for a long while. The series has had to leave some things behind, I recognise that, but - my favourite bits... |
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| | Subject: Re: Vote For Iwata's Best Game Mon 27 Jul 2015 - 12:52 | |
| - JayMoyles wrote:
- I dislike that .gif, always found it a little condescending.
How come you've never said as much the myriad of times Jas has used it? I'm sure Mas has used it before too. I do see your point though. I'll swap it for another one. Seriously, I'm presuming "that's the joke", but we can't say anything about the forum's relative views on the Smashes from a thread where there's such a focus on games Iwata was directly involved in. Zero has, to be fair, pointed out a great thing (the awards) about the original two games that has been sadly lost in translation. Although it and the original Break the Targets were both in SSBM too, Zero, so when you say that the original was your favourite I look at you like this:  |
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