Fire Emblem: Fates - CHOOSE A SIDE!

fronkhead wrote:

I'm surprised the Fire Emblem audience -- or the intended audience -- has shifted so quickly in the space of 1-2 games. The amount of pandering to the game's target audience is insane for a famed strategy RPG series which wasn't associated with this kind of thing for a good 10 or so series entries.

But hey, if this plays a good game of strategy then I'll be onboard. Awakening could have done with far better map design and mission objectives, so there's plenty of room for improvement.

That'll be down to Awakening's popularity. I guess they figured that the relationship aspect of the game was the draw for a large chunk of the game's audience, and figured that should make its way over to Fates, albeit with much more in the way of pandering.

Luckily, I've heard the Nohr storyline has some brilliant map design, which means I can ignore any of the really overt pandering and get tucked into some strategy.

JayMoyles wrote:

fronkhead wrote:

I'm surprised the Fire Emblem audience -- or the intended audience -- has shifted so quickly in the space of 1-2 games. The amount of pandering to the game's target audience is insane for a famed strategy RPG series which wasn't associated with this kind of thing for a good 10 or so series entries.

But hey, if this plays a good game of strategy then I'll be onboard. Awakening could have done with far better map design and mission objectives, so there's plenty of room for improvement.

That'll be down to Awakening's popularity. I guess they figured that the relationship aspect of the game was the draw for a large chunk of the game's audience, and figured that should make its way over to Fates, albeit with much more in the way of pandering.

Luckily, I've heard the Nohr storyline has some brilliant map design, which means I can ignore any of the really overt pandering and get tucked into some strategy.

Sweet! Awakening felt half-baked, this certainly looks more fully-formed by comparison. The pandering is just a necessary evil to keep the series going, I'd suppose!

They did say Nintendo that Awakening had to save the series and it did as we've got Fates and if they think the romance stuff helped sell it then, you can't blame them for continuing down that road.

Also FE:A you could actually go buy which might of helped it sale.

Oh, I don't refute that the romance stuff had a role to play in Awakening's popularity. It's just not what I want in a Fire Emblem game, and I'd probably abandon the series if that aspect of the game began to overshadow the strategy aspect.

I get it but there wasn't enough people going to buy it for that reason it seems, but that could be down to the fact you couldn't go buy.

Not sure it's all about rarity though, Radiant Dawn was pretty readily available and was going for a tenner in most GAMEs that I visited. I think it being much more accessible to noobs, as well as being included in the free games promo probably helped more than anything.

Yeah, I picked up a copy of Radiant Dawn from GAME pretty easily after its release. Being available to download was likely a huge boon to Awakening's sales.

I've barely seen a FE up till FE:A it's a series I would buy but never could unless I now pay silly prices but that wouldn't of helped Nintendo's Sales me buying used copy maybe if I bought on Cube then I might went out preordered on Wii back in the day.

Radiant Dawn only sold 30,000 copies in the EU, Awakening 300,000.

masofdas wrote:

I've barely seen a FE up till FE:A it's a series I would buy but never could unless I now pay silly prices but that wouldn't of helped Nintendo's Sales me buying used copy maybe if I bought on Cube then I might went out preordered on Wii back in the day.

Radiant Dawn only sold 30,000 copies in the EU, Awakening 300,000.

Awakening 300,000

shocked and surprised!

Fates or If is out pacing Awakening in Japan and it's been a popular series there for like ever that what's bringing new fans is it the romance type stuff.

For the sake of my continuing interest in the Fire Emblem series, I hope not.

For me it's not.. I did it once and that was it..

On a happier note, the more tactical, veteran-oriented Nohr version is outselling the other version... promising!

To be fair on the romance stuff, Persona added that stuff with some of the social links in both 3 and 4 having lover routes, didn't stop 4 from being fantastic and 3 from being the greatest rpg ever. I'm confident this will be a similar case, brings in a broader crowd but doesn't compromise what makes the games great.

JayMoyles wrote:

On a happier note, the more tactical, veteran-oriented Nohr version is outselling the other version... promising!

It's actually Birthright AKA Hoshido doing best not Conquest AKA Nohr

Anyway the 3rd path Invisible is available in Japan as DLC for about £11, which isn't a bad price but a lot FE coming it seems.

Ah, perhaps the tides have turned then - Nohr was doing better when I last checked.

Really as at launch Birthright sold best 154k, where Conquest sold 107k.

I'm just bringing it up as seems the easier more waifu (is that right) version is the one people want which you don't seem to be keen on as it could move the serious even more into waifu territory with the next one.

Any game what lets me stick it up Lucina is a win in my book.

FIT

Oi leave my ( apparent) waifu out of this

So were getting the two versions in the west like in Japan or we buy the special edition, from what we know in America there is no discount either but you do get a artbook if you get the $80 special edition.

Jay brought up in the cast this is a bit a daft as it's not like Pokemon where you do have difference as this game has X Mon then this one doesn't, but someone brought that this seems a bit like Oracle of Ages/Seasons all over.

This has been censored in the West but unlike some of the other censorship's this has a good reason as the original Japaneses versions shows you drugging a lesbian character and "curing" her off her homosexual ways but is meant to be about her becoming more confident.

And can we get a date for this is Europe please!

Masofdas. Listen to me very carefully.

This. Game. Has. Not. Been. Censored.

When the creators behind a work of art decide to adapt it, that is not censorship. That is them realising that something was in poor taste and that it would be best changed for a Western audience who are more perceptive of this sort of thing. If the government had stepped in and insisted it change, that would be censorship. As it is, nothing has been censored.

As for the change itself; yeah, that's really dumb, I'm glad they've seen the light. I know you're on the right side of this one, but don't use the word "censor" because that's the wrong word and sends out the wrong impression.

Calm down mate, I was just reporting on a news piece which says something like Nintendo Censor yet again in the west.

As I thought people may be interested in it.

I know, I know. But they're wrong, and every time you use that word like that, you're giving all the misogynistic neckbeards great big hate-boners.

Much though I don't want to see Drunka rip off Mas' head and feed it to the Grackler much, he (Drunka) is right about censorship. A company altering its own work, for better or for worse (and from what I've seen this is definitely for better and should never have been in any version), isn't censorship. A regulator or government altering it, or the company altering it because a government or regulator wouldn't accept it in base form (government or regulator, mind, not public opinion), would be censorship. This isn't.